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Hi new forum let's get some people!

yep,the TIII engines were 2.2.the 90 Lebaron's were TI TII i think and TIV VNT

Then in 91 the Lebaron, what was the 2.5 turbo considered?

just a TI turbo

The Motor in the Maserati powered Lebaron was not the same Turbo 3 motor was it?

it was a 16V but not classified as a TIII although same concept

It was a Maserati design versus Lotus design. Were any parts interchangeable? Being the bottom ends, anything different there?

i think the bottom end was a regular 2.2 with a distributor where as the TIII doesnt have a distributor,but im not too sure on that cause ive never seen one

Wow I figured you to be a guru, now I've seen these Maserati motors only on the outside. I don't expect you to know everything. I apologize I'm hardly perfect. You have been very helpful indeed.

Do you know of anyone looking for any body parts, from the Daytona? I will try to sell it as a whole first. Maybe someone would like to build a race car, rear wheel drive conversion?

nope,if you only seen the for sale list i have LOL ive parted out 3 daytona's and still have a lot of parts left


as far as guru,i know just about everything about daytona's

as much as i hate to lose the only active member on my site LOL try [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] dont own it but they are a very active site for these cars and i am an admin over there.

Don't worry I have no plan to go anywhere, if only to see if I could unload some stuff well I will more than likely look locally first.
I'd like to know, are roller cams a normal item production wise in Turbo 2 motors? Or is it something that someone installed after? I popped the rocker cover and low and behold, there sits a roller cam. Thank God. I hate slider cams, after the nightmare I had with one install. Not so much the cam, but with someone else s lack of knowledge installing the over sized seats. They didn't install them deep enough. So to compensate I had to put lash caps on the valves, machine them down to the correct depth, and the arch in the rocker arm had to be widened. If I didn't know the right people in EDM- EDW, I would've never got the car to run. But that was corrected, at last. The seats were sandwiched in with special pins so they would never fall out. About that copper head gasket it's reusable in case you are wondering. My cost on it was $200.00 but it will never blow. The head was fully ported on a flow bench, I know someone who has the largest flow bench in Ontario. His own ride 71 Challenger 426 Ray Barton motor, stock hemi flows at 325 per port, his motor flows at 550, and this is a street car running on NOS. I'm personally not into that scene but you have to be impressed with those numbers. They built the fastest street car in Canada, street trim 7.40 quarter mile times.

What does the average Turbo 3 car go for? Even if the body is rough, and the motor runs. Drivetrain?

Sometimes I wish could a response just a bit quicker, it might work in the sense where I might be able to get some people interested in becoming members. Hope to hear from you soon. Ralf... P.S I hope I'm not boring you to pieces. I'll be loading some photo's soon. Any insight on reducing the frame size, or getting the whole frame in? I don't want to load frames that don't give the whole subject, and oversize parts only...

Still waiting.....

LOL had to clean the house,get the kid in bed and take a shower.i think the sliders stopped in 88? or 89,then they used the roller.average on a TIII is between $3000-$10000,they are rare so not cheap.finding a drive train is a nightmare since there rare.im lookin for one right now.getting this forum active would be great.i sent an email to all the users letting them know its been active for the last few days,and no im not bored LOL im glad theres been posting going on.been real dead the last 2 years

Thanks for the response, i was starting to wonder.
There is an idiot from the past, who apparently bought one for $1000. Canadian. But he's a piece of work, he took it out for a blast where he was storing it and broke something. I don't know anymore than that, but I bet he still has the car. T3 in the wrong hands. I paid $600.00 for my T2, and drove it home, over 100 miles, had to test drive it. Runs even better now. I would like to know the specs on this cam are essentially the same as the T1 slider cam I would imagine.

I'll bet I come across a T3, since I know what to look for. Thing is it probably won't cost me an arm and three legs.

if you can find one i would snatch it up.i am lookin for another one already but need some cash first

The "complete" slider cam setup was terminated in 86. In 87 they made a "sider/roller" head, which uses a slider cam and roller followers. This production nded in 89 where all heads were rollers regardless of engine type. In 89 they changed over to a round tooth belt design, which boasted a quieter and smoother idle than a square truth. Also the roller heads are 4 degrees retarded, so if you put an early slider cam (86 and earlier) it will have 4 degrees retardation, as compared to the 0 degree advance using an 87+ cam.

Well that helps, so what do you suggest for 18psi? Cam wise stick with the original?

I suppose I could degree the cam that's in there, offset keys perhaps...

ill leave that for him to answer LOL im not good with that subject

If you can get your hands on an 88 TBI cam, or an 88 TBI head, they work miracles. They are the *best* stock cam Mopar ever made. Has a slightly differnt duration and valve overlap, as compared to the stock turbo cams.

If you grab the whole head, then have the valves swapped for exhaust turbo valves.

The 88 cam will be a direct drop in, has 4 degrees retardation, and will give you a better power feel up top. Just grab the cam and the followers from the JY when you go to grab them.

Remember if your car is a round tooth cam gear, then you will need to swap the. But 88 is the year to look for. If you want to play with the timing yourself, then get a fidanza adjustable cam gear, which go(if I remember correctly) 12 degrees in both directions.

Hope this helps you

I think hes gone now lol

Eh, he'll be back.

Too bad the software here isn't quite like vBulletin.

A lot easier to respond quick that way

Lol when I can afford it ill upgrade it

Sorry haven't had a lot of time to send messages. My stepfather got picked up by ambulance yesterday, and of all things no one seems to have a clue whats wrong. He stopped eating a short while ago, so my mother fed him puree's, but yesterday he stopped drinking totally. My thoughts are a bit displaced at the moment. I really hope this blows over as soon as possible. Thank you for all the kind ideas, I will truly use them to my benefit, Ralf... I will talk soon.

hope all is well with him!

Hi, I thought I'd drop a line or two. My stepfather ohhh... who knows. I thought I'd get back to stripping the Daytona. Checked turbo shaft, wow some side play. Hmmm... trying to get my mind into something else. Looks like I'm into spending some money to get that motor right. I guess I'm going to do it all. It might take some more time than I originally thought, have to figure out what I want out of it, so I don't get bored of it too quickly. I have a 18 1/2 foot deep v inboard outboard offshore boat with a Corvette 350. The boat will do almost 70 miles an hour, that's something that takes time to get bored of. If anyone knows anything about Donzi Marine, it's their direct competition. I'm not attempting to impress you just letting you know a bit about my background. My first powerboat I built when I was 14, a 8'-2" hydroplane with a 20 horse. My need for speed has always been a necessity. Of coarse my parents were always a bit concerned about this, especially my father. He was always dead set against my fast hobbies, when his was flying. He was a test pilot from WW2, German instructor officer. I wonder why he was always so concerned. He got to test fly the first jets. Some history eh. Apple never falls far from the tree. I'm trying to break my concentration from the problems at hand. Sorry I'm telling you all this.
Got to decide what I'm going to do about the turbo 2, need more power!!!!! Ralf...

well i may be able to help you on that LOL i have a turbo for sale,good for 350-at least 410 HP.its new never used,but not cheap LOL.i want 840 plus shipping for it and for another 100 i have the stainless steel braided oil and coolant lines that are brand new in package

Tell me more please ? I'd like to know what it is model number, specs, wastegate, and more. Ralf...

What kind of pressure am I looking at? Photos if at all possible, thanks

Oh, and what else would compliment that particular turbo? Outside of, lets say stock turbo II? I'm debating all sorts of things, but I have to be reasonable as well.

well,its a turbonetics T3/T4 turbo,doesnt have a wastegate or swing valve.its good for 350-410,maybe higher.it is a 57 trim,stage 2 wheel,.63 AR


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It seems a bit steep, I know it cost you slightly more. But when I start adding up the other ends & odds it's really in the deep. I would normally be more prepared for this, but I'm still recovering from a major unexpected bill that left my backside a bit sore. I will keep this in mind, and I really haven't said no yet.
Please let me consider my options, and see what happens. Have you tried to sell this before? One other thing, I still have to rebuild the rest of this engine as well... thank you.

The best thing when you run that turbo would be prted intake, and exhaust manifolds, as well as some head porting.

Even if you don't end up getting his turbo, they are really essential mods to amke your car flow really nicely.

I've done extensive porting on my friends 2.2. Then had someone I know put it on a flow bench to test, and touch up. Head, exhaust manifold, and intake. As well as opening up the intake for 54mm throttle body. I also opened up the turbo as well as the exhaust manifold. The head got 44mm IMSA swirl finish stainless intake valves,exhaust valves 38mm? for some reason I've got a memory block. But the valve seats overlapped each other. This gave lots of extra room for porting. But no room between the valves. One real benefit to this is removing the weak little strip of aluminum between the seats that's prone to cracking. Yeah I kinda had that in mind. I can't believe there is someone finally making improvements to oil pans. I was doing that 10 years ago, baffles covering the whole basic pan with trap doors that open to the center only, and hold 7- 7 1/2 liters of oil and has an external oil cooler. This is a modified turbo I motor.

What about cam gear? Running stock profile cam? Or step up a notch or two?

If I were to purchase your turbo I would also get the 3" swingvalve from turbos unleashed as well as some other parts you are well acquainted with.
I will post tomorrow, Thanks...... Ralf..

no problem.ive had a lot interested in it but no one has bought it yet.its not cheap LOL

This turbo does it have ball bearings? I'd also like to know if it's made in the States? Turbos Unleashed doesn't quite mention that. If I can swing a couple of things up here, I would jump on it. Ralf...

How much was that piece when you purchased it, with the options? I'd also like to know how much boost would be likely with that particular piece? R...

i dont know much about it,bought it from a member online thinking it had the standard T3 flange,but it didnt.i do know a guy that runs the same turbo on a stock motor (has supporting mods though,just no head or mani porting) that runs 22 PSI and makes around 375 HP.sorry for the delay,didnt get the email LOL

Wow and thank you for the response. That would just be about enough. I can't make any promises, but I will give this some serious consideration.
Ralf...

ok,and no problem

Remember, when you port the manifolds, and the head, the same 22 psi on a stock motor with no porting will be miles behind one that is ported.

Either way you go, you will definitely see an improvemnt.

Running this turbo will require the mods to spool it up correctly and efficiently, BUT the trade off is you get so much more power per # of boost.

Its the same comparison we make, when we tell an 88+ TI ownder to upgrade from the tiny mitsu to the Garrett....they just plain flow better.

Hi, sorry I've been a bit busy the last while. I just want to keep tabs with you, and not lose contact. I've advertised the car on Kijiji, and got 422 hits within 24 hours. To say the least I'm a bit surprised. If you check Kijiji out in the greater Toronto area you will see the rest of the photo that I tried to download here. I've connected with two different people, one who has an 88 Daytona that needs a body replacement. The other claims my car isn't a real Shelby, since it doesn't have a plaque on the dash. Yeah some people? Anyway with any luck I won't have to strip the whole thing, and be able to sell it to someone who needs the car. That will save a lot of trouble, his car is a turbo II. With a rebuilt motor, so he probably has no choice. I will be keeping my eyes open for other cars. I'm surprised that I didn't really have as much interest in Daytonas as I do now. I have an uncanny ability to find rare unusual cars, so just letting you know beforehand.
I found this Daytona 5 years ago for $600. So don't be too surprised when I find a Turbo III. Ralf...

LOL im lookin at one right now not too far from me.theguy your talking about isnt Johnny is it?

No, I don't believe so since one guys name is Jesse, and the other didn't drop his name. But his email address is Canadian. Thanks for the quick response...

Not a problem man. The only "true" shelbys that were built by Shelby's team were the 86-87 GLHS' and the CSX.

All the other cars that were badged as Shelbys are just "Shelby Inspired" as Chrysler says, but I think, if it says shelby on the side, and was marketed as one, then its a friggen shelby lol.

Its too bad I don't get as many hits on my 87 I'm parting out as you did with your car. Such a shame.